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Let’s be honest. The people who work for EMBT are people who weren’t good enough to get hired at Microsoft, or Google, or Apple, or Facebook, or all the other tech companies in that area. EMBT has had across-the-board 10% paycuts to avoid layoffs, wage freezes for several years now, etc. They’re no one’s first choice. Also, when Microsoft was poaching people, they hired away the people they thought (and those who they hired thought) were talented. Whoever was left they didn’t want. And then EMBT laid off most of the developers and replaced them with fresh-out-of-school Romanians. A post on Glassdoor from an EMBT worker said their job had just been outsourced to Spain.

Unless you want to sabotage MS from within, there’s no need to try to send them to Microsoft. :-) All of the talent was stripped away years ago through those cumulative actions. Even Joel Spolsky wrote “When it comes to Delphi, let’s just say that the talent has left the building.”

>Linux gets popular? THey are developing a linux distro.

1) They already have, apparently, for their cloud service, a recent article revealed. 25% of those using Azure are running Linux on it. Heck, I talked online with some MS Azure employees who developed a test service and opted to use Linux over Windows due to its better container support. :-)

Linux already is popular. But MS can’t make money from people running Linux on their desktop (unless they fully transition to a services company). It’s more likely we’ll see Windows go free in the near future – we’re already seeing a free upgrade to Windows 10.

>People forget – Operating systems are only a part of what MS does. Dev
>tools help them get there.

But Delphi users forget – the entire world CHANGED and Borland saw it. Development tools are open source now. A recent poll showed 4/5 developers are using open source dev tools. Even Microsoft is now giving away VS to those making less than a million bucks and open sourced most of C#! That’s directly due to the phenomenal pressure from open source. At the latest WWDC Apple announced that they would be open sourcing Swift, would have OS X and Linux versions out by the end of the year, and claim they will actively solicit code contributions from the community! Even MS and Apple are getting out of the proprietary language business. It’s an old, Big Iron, dead model and enterprise today isn’t going to risk their company on a costly, proprietary code base with a single vendor – especially not when they have so many mainstream, open source choices. The birth of LLVM shows the cooperation rather than competition in the dev tools area is now the order of the day.

>Wouldn’t it be nice if Delphi actually had a dedicated compiler guy again?
>You ever wonder why YEARS later, they still don’t have a 64 bit IDE?

EMBT’s owners squeezed Delphi like Borland had done, in this case to make numbers to generate a sale. And if it’s being bought, that company will have debt it’ll need to pay off so ROI is still going to be big. Just like with the EMBT acquisition, I’m not sure this will be a big improvement.

>They need to end up being owned by MS or Google in my mind. I would
>prefer MS to Google, but hey, even that would be good.

The question becomes: why would MS or Google want them? MS has C# and TypeScript and ASP.NET. Google has Go and their own Java VM. They don’t need an old, proprietary language. MS isn’t going to want another framework in addition to .NET and Google wants Android software to be written in Java – even when they employed the creator of Python they had him stop a side project of implementing Python for Android!
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作者：

maltel (maltel)	★☆☆☆☆	-
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2015/10/5 15:57:50

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谁翻译一下，E文太差，看不明白。
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sail2000 (小帆工作室)	★☆☆☆☆	-
	盒子活跃会员

2015/10/5 17:01:10

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简单的翻译：有内部消息说，一波龙的工作已经外包给西班牙了。。。

干嘛不外包给德国佬或俄罗斯捏，这才是 delphi 的用户大国吧？
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delphi 是兴趣，和工作无关，即使它倒闭。又不靠它 delphi 吃饭，怕甚？

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nevergrief (孤独骑士)	★☆☆☆☆	-
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2015/10/5 17:34:27

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不是有一次说销售额50%的增长吗？怎么又昏倒这个地步了？？发邮件叫紫光把EMBT也收了吧，才几千万刀。
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只有偏执狂才能生存！

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gdsa (文稠紧)	★☆☆☆☆	-
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2015/10/5 19:19:51

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ten mouth heart think, think manager, think forum, think delphi...
eight eye all look, look flower, look moon, look beautiful gril...
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gdsa (文稠紧)	★☆☆☆☆	-
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2015/10/5 19:20:24

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横批：no zuo no die
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作者：

delphiilove (乌羽玉)	★☆☆☆☆	-
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2015/10/5 20:00:32

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风云变幻之际
期待尘埃落定
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作者：

limin (limin)	★☆☆☆☆	-
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2015/10/5 20:18:33

7楼：

神马玩意。
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作者：

delphiilove (乌羽玉)	★☆☆☆☆	-
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2015/10/5 20:27:45

8楼：

微软会收购Delphi。
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biznow (biznow)	★☆☆☆☆	-
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2015/10/5 20:48:17

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翻译一下第一段：

说实话，为EMBT工作的人并没有好于被微软、谷歌、苹果、Facebook或者其他区域的技术类公司雇佣，几年来，EMBT已经全面削减10%支出等，以避免裁员，停薪，这不是他们的第一选择。此外，还有挖墙脚的Microsoft，他们挖走了认为有才华的他们（雇佣他们的思想...[注：我想作者有贬义的意思，可能是我想多了]），他们谁都不想留下。然后EMBT解雇大多数的开发人员并且换成刚大学毕业的罗马尼亚人，一份EMBT工作人员提交到Glassdoor的文章说他们的工作刚被外包给了西班牙。
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nevergrief (孤独骑士)	★☆☆☆☆	-
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2015/10/5 21:15:41

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听他胡扯，也许是他自己不行吧。想想Delphi的跨平台、x64、VCL Style、改造LLVM使之适应BCB等等等等，是那么好实现的吗？我们论坛里哪一个人敢有自称有实力实现这些东西（也许VCL Style稍微简单一点）？EMBT接手以后，Delphi一直在疯狂的进步，这里面没有几个超级牛人支撑，怎么可能？
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只有偏执狂才能生存！

作者：

delphiilove (乌羽玉)	★☆☆☆☆	-
	普通会员

2015/10/5 21:23:13

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第二段的翻译：

除非你想从内部对微软进行伤害，否则不必使得那些人被微软雇佣。经过多年挖角行动的侵蚀，最优秀的人才已经消失殆尽。就连Joel Spolsky都说：一提到Delphi，我们能说的只是那个已经离开的天才。【从上下文来看，我觉得指的是当年安德斯海森伯格被微软挖角】
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作者：

zwjchinazwj (蒲石)	★☆☆☆☆	-
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2015/10/5 21:23:37

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他们挖走了认为有才华的他们（雇佣他们的思想...[注：我想作者有贬义的意思，可能是我想多了]），他们谁都不想留下

似乎你理解错了。

他们(微软)挖走了他们(微软)认为有才华的人。而剩下的那些是他们(微软)不想要的人。
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biznow (biznow)	★☆☆☆☆	-
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2015/10/5 21:47:24

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呃，是的，我的理解有问题

不管怎么说，这篇文章，没什么意义。
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yxsoft (yxsoft)	★☆☆☆☆	-
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2015/10/6 22:54:12

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该来的怎么还没来啊
不该走的倒走了
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